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		<title>By: MYLAN IS TERRIBLE!</title>
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		<dc:creator>MYLAN IS TERRIBLE!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 01:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Walgreens just switched (jan-feb 2010) nationwide to Mylan as their generic T3 supplier. Walgreens refilled my rx without notifiying me that they had changed mfgs. After 2 days I tanked. As you all know T3 has a half-life of about 1 day in the blood so by the 3rd day I was out of it. I also take Synthroid .75 and my T3 is 25 mcgs daily. I don&#039;t convert T4 to T3 very well on my own so I REALLY noticed the difference. 

I called around to find a small independent pharmacy that still had PADDOCK&#039;s generic T3 and had to pay for it on my own. No biggie. I&#039;d rather feel better than not.

Just wanted to share my generic experience. Some day I hope to be albe to switch to the pig products - but my antibodies are still too high for that. Perhaps next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Walgreens just switched (jan-feb 2010) nationwide to Mylan as their generic T3 supplier. Walgreens refilled my rx without notifiying me that they had changed mfgs. After 2 days I tanked. As you all know T3 has a half-life of about 1 day in the blood so by the 3rd day I was out of it. I also take Synthroid .75 and my T3 is 25 mcgs daily. I don’t convert T4 to T3 very well on my own so I REALLY noticed the difference. </p>
<p>I called around to find a small independent pharmacy that still had PADDOCK’s generic T3 and had to pay for it on my own. No biggie. I’d rather feel better than not.</p>
<p>Just wanted to share my generic experience. Some day I hope to be albe to switch to the pig products — but my antibodies are still too high for that. Perhaps next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Toni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 02:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Everyone, just want to say that my daughter went to the doctor in Germany and he put her on 150 mcg of what he said was the best thyroid prescription in Germany.  He would not prescribe the natural thyroid. However, she can tell a huge difference in the German Thyroid prescription.  She is warm and hungry, somethings she has not been in some time.  I am just glad she feels better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Everyone, just want to say that my daughter went to the doctor in Germany and he put her on 150 mcg of what he said was the best thyroid prescription in Germany.  He would not prescribe the natural thyroid. However, she can tell a huge difference in the German Thyroid prescription.  She is warm and hungry, somethings she has not been in some time.  I am just glad she feels better.</p>
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		<title>By: Shauna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shauna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 00:50:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Man, I love this website!  Everybody is so helpful and sweet and truly caring.  I will definitely start graphing my temperature starting tomorrow.  I&#039;m not sure what the symptoms of hyper are, but the way you described it makes so much sense why I could be feeling bad.  I am now taking 3 capsules of Nutri-Meds, and I feel a little better than I did last week.  Which is not to say I feel good.  So maybe I&#039;ll take one more pill and chart the temps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Man, I love this website!  Everybody is so helpful and sweet and truly caring.  I will definitely start graphing my temperature starting tomorrow.  I’m not sure what the symptoms of hyper are, but the way you described it makes so much sense why I could be feeling bad.  I am now taking 3 capsules of Nutri-Meds, and I feel a little better than I did last week.  Which is not to say I feel good.  So maybe I’ll take one more pill and chart the temps.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Truitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lisa Truitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 20:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shauna,

The nutrimeds bottle says not to take in excess of five tablets. I don&#039;t know why it says that. It may just be a thing to avoid being sued or something. It makes sense to me that you would just take as many as are needed for you. If you were taking 120 mg of armour and still didn&#039;t feel good I bet you would need quite a few of the nutrimeds. I was taking 30 mg of armour. I think that wasn&#039;t quite enough for me really, but I didn&#039;t feel too bad on it. I am taking four times that amount in nutrimeds to feel pretty good. So if that was about the same for you, that would be like fourish of the nutrimeds, each being 130 mg I think. But you said you still didn&#039;t feel as we The chest symptoms you were talking about before you took armll as you though you should on 120 of armour. So you may need even more than the four nutrimeds, like four and a half or five. Or your adrenals may be involved. Do you get to a point where if you exceed a certain amount of armour or nutrimeds you feel symptoms of hyperthyroidism, and if you back down just a little then you are back to hypo? This usually means that your adrenals are underfunctioning and can&#039;t handle it when you go high enough on your medication to resolve the hypo. If you do go high enough that it could resolve the hypo, you then jump immediately to hyper. The chest symptoms you had before trying armour, (I am assuming you weren&#039;t taking anything) can be symptoms of low thyroid and or adrenal I believe. I would also encourage you to take your temps as advised on this website at 9, noon, and 3 pm for about a week and graph your results, so you can tell if you are just dealing with low thyroid, or low thyroid and adrenal. Seeing the patterns in your temps can really help you to gauge whether you are making progress. If your temps are low after taking a few days of a certain dosage of nutrimeds or whatever other medication, you can try going up and see what happens. Then you can also see what happens over a few days in terms of the stability of your temps. If they are fluctuating too much, then you know your adrenals are having a hard time and you need to support them. Hydrocortisone, which I think I remember seeing some sources to get that without prescrip, that people have found reliable if you can&#039;t get prescrip, or a supplement called Isocort are recommended on this site. Nutrimeds also has raw whole adrenal or adrenal cortex as well. I don&#039;t know how it compares to isocort.

Hang in there! I think you can get this figured out and get to feeling better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shauna,</p>
<p>The nutrimeds bottle says not to take in excess of five tablets. I don’t know why it says that. It may just be a thing to avoid being sued or something. It makes sense to me that you would just take as many as are needed for you. If you were taking 120 mg of armour and still didn’t feel good I bet you would need quite a few of the nutrimeds. I was taking 30 mg of armour. I think that wasn’t quite enough for me really, but I didn’t feel too bad on it. I am taking four times that amount in nutrimeds to feel pretty good. So if that was about the same for you, that would be like fourish of the nutrimeds, each being 130 mg I think. But you said you still didn’t feel as we The chest symptoms you were talking about before you took armll as you though you should on 120 of armour. So you may need even more than the four nutrimeds, like four and a half or five. Or your adrenals may be involved. Do you get to a point where if you exceed a certain amount of armour or nutrimeds you feel symptoms of hyperthyroidism, and if you back down just a little then you are back to hypo? This usually means that your adrenals are underfunctioning and can’t handle it when you go high enough on your medication to resolve the hypo. If you do go high enough that it could resolve the hypo, you then jump immediately to hyper. The chest symptoms you had before trying armour, (I am assuming you weren’t taking anything) can be symptoms of low thyroid and or adrenal I believe. I would also encourage you to take your temps as advised on this website at 9, noon, and 3 pm for about a week and graph your results, so you can tell if you are just dealing with low thyroid, or low thyroid and adrenal. Seeing the patterns in your temps can really help you to gauge whether you are making progress. If your temps are low after taking a few days of a certain dosage of nutrimeds or whatever other medication, you can try going up and see what happens. Then you can also see what happens over a few days in terms of the stability of your temps. If they are fluctuating too much, then you know your adrenals are having a hard time and you need to support them. Hydrocortisone, which I think I remember seeing some sources to get that without prescrip, that people have found reliable if you can’t get prescrip, or a supplement called Isocort are recommended on this site. Nutrimeds also has raw whole adrenal or adrenal cortex as well. I don’t know how it compares to isocort.</p>
<p>Hang in there! I think you can get this figured out and get to feeling better.</p>
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		<title>By: Toni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Toni, there are correctible reasons why someone may not feel good on desiccated thyroid: www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/mistakes-patients-make or more detail in Chapter 11 of the book)

Hi Shauna, I could not find throidis on google, did you by any chance mean thyroiditis? I am not sure that what you were experiencing were symptoms of that or not.  Maybe someone else here knows?

I know I never felt good on Armour but after visiting this site it seems I was taking it wrong and most likely not enough for me.  I was only taking 3 grains and all at once, in the morning.  I felt so awful, I could not function at all.  Went back on Synthroid after several years on Armour and I can function at least but there is so much left to be desired in the way I feel, like freezing for instance.  I read the stories on this website and I want to feel as good as the people do in the success stories.  Now I that I have some Naturethroid, I am chicken to try it and I also feel selfish because so many people are looking for this drug right now.  My daughter is having big trouble on her Levothyroxine in Germany and I may have to take the Naturethroid I got to her there if she cannot get what she needs.  I know my daughter has had chest and heart pains on Synthroid and maybe others have as well.   She is taking a generic right now by Mylan, better for her than Synthroid but not by much. I guess if you aren&#039;t going to feel good anyway you may as well buy the cheaper generic!  I have read here where some people do feel better on Naturethroid than Armour so I am hoping my daughter and I are some of those people.  Get out your telephone book and start calling the pharmacies, that is what I did.  I found 3 that had Armour and 1 that had the Naturethroid and I could have called 50 more besides that to see what they had, maybe more, that is just a guess.  I tried Nutri Meds before and I felt rotten.  I want to be one of the people who can take Naturethroid and feel fantastic, hair, warm, energy, clarity of thought!  Please let us know if you can find some for yourself and good luck!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Toni, there are correctible reasons why someone may not feel good on desiccated thyroid: <a href="http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/mistakes-patients-make" rel="nofollow">http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/mistakes-patients-make</a> or more detail in Chapter 11 of the book)</p>
<p>Hi Shauna, I could not find throidis on google, did you by any chance mean thyroiditis? I am not sure that what you were experiencing were symptoms of that or not.  Maybe someone else here knows?</p>
<p>I know I never felt good on Armour but after visiting this site it seems I was taking it wrong and most likely not enough for me.  I was only taking 3 grains and all at once, in the morning.  I felt so awful, I could not function at all.  Went back on Synthroid after several years on Armour and I can function at least but there is so much left to be desired in the way I feel, like freezing for instance.  I read the stories on this website and I want to feel as good as the people do in the success stories.  Now I that I have some Naturethroid, I am chicken to try it and I also feel selfish because so many people are looking for this drug right now.  My daughter is having big trouble on her Levothyroxine in Germany and I may have to take the Naturethroid I got to her there if she cannot get what she needs.  I know my daughter has had chest and heart pains on Synthroid and maybe others have as well.   She is taking a generic right now by Mylan, better for her than Synthroid but not by much. I guess if you aren’t going to feel good anyway you may as well buy the cheaper generic!  I have read here where some people do feel better on Naturethroid than Armour so I am hoping my daughter and I are some of those people.  Get out your telephone book and start calling the pharmacies, that is what I did.  I found 3 that had Armour and 1 that had the Naturethroid and I could have called 50 more besides that to see what they had, maybe more, that is just a guess.  I tried Nutri Meds before and I felt rotten.  I want to be one of the people who can take Naturethroid and feel fantastic, hair, warm, energy, clarity of thought!  Please let us know if you can find some for yourself and good luck!</p>
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		<title>By: Shauna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shauna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 05:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the info Toni!  I will start taking my temp.  This whole thing really sucks.  I don&#039;t even know how bad my thyroid is...I just know I feel foggy all the time, bad memory, hair falling out...ugh.  I didn&#039;t feel all that much better on Armour, but maybe I was getting to the right dose, who knows.  I had just started taking 120 when they ran out.  I am now taking 3 capsules of Nutri-Meds.  A couple of months ago, before I started taking Armour (and a month or two after stopping Synthroid), I started getting weird heart/chest pains.  Is that a symptom of thyroidis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the info Toni!  I will start taking my temp.  This whole thing really sucks.  I don’t even know how bad my thyroid is…I just know I feel foggy all the time, bad memory, hair falling out…ugh.  I didn’t feel all that much better on Armour, but maybe I was getting to the right dose, who knows.  I had just started taking 120 when they ran out.  I am now taking 3 capsules of Nutri-Meds.  A couple of months ago, before I started taking Armour (and a month or two after stopping Synthroid), I started getting weird heart/chest pains.  Is that a symptom of thyroidis?</p>
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		<title>By: Toni</title>
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		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 23:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t even know if I want to start on Natuethroid yet. I can function on Synthroid with a drop of Potassium Iodide every other day or so.  I just don&#039;t think it is fair of me to switch right now when so many people who desperately depend on this medication are having a hard time getting it.   I am just going to wait and see if my daughter needs what I have already gotten.  She may be able to get Thyreogland in Germany (Thanks to this site I was able to give her the name of the prescription along with the telephone number for the pharmacy!)  Maybe I will wait to start on Naturethroid after it is being restocked in the pharmacies instead. I feel so piggish trying to hog it when I have survived this long and can last a little longer!  Oink, Oink!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don’t even know if I want to start on Natuethroid yet. I can function on Synthroid with a drop of Potassium Iodide every other day or so.  I just don’t think it is fair of me to switch right now when so many people who desperately depend on this medication are having a hard time getting it.   I am just going to wait and see if my daughter needs what I have already gotten.  She may be able to get Thyreogland in Germany (Thanks to this site I was able to give her the name of the prescription along with the telephone number for the pharmacy!)  Maybe I will wait to start on Naturethroid after it is being restocked in the pharmacies instead. I feel so piggish trying to hog it when I have survived this long and can last a little longer!  Oink, Oink!</p>
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		<title>By: Toni</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2009/09/09/reason-creeping-in-with-thyroid-patient-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-43399</link>
		<dc:creator>Toni</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 18:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Everyone, 
I went to pick up my new prescription for Naturethroid today and the Pharmacist called the company to find out when she could order more and they told her they would be able to send her more Naturethroid sometime in November.  She told me when she runs out of what she has that is it until November if they are really going to be ready by then.  I have enough to start on and after I see how I feel in a few days I may get more before it is gone.  It is not cheap!  Of course, if it works that is besides the point.  Oh, this Pharmacist has her own Compounding Pharmacy here and she said she has only dispensed Naturethroid there because she feels it is superior to Armour.  Her opinion, I know some people preferred Armour, I just threw that in incase anyone was interested.  She said she can also make compounded capsules of Natural thyroid but it would be much more expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Everyone,<br />
I went to pick up my new prescription for Naturethroid today and the Pharmacist called the company to find out when she could order more and they told her they would be able to send her more Naturethroid sometime in November.  She told me when she runs out of what she has that is it until November if they are really going to be ready by then.  I have enough to start on and after I see how I feel in a few days I may get more before it is gone.  It is not cheap!  Of course, if it works that is besides the point.  Oh, this Pharmacist has her own Compounding Pharmacy here and she said she has only dispensed Naturethroid there because she feels it is superior to Armour.  Her opinion, I know some people preferred Armour, I just threw that in incase anyone was interested.  She said she can also make compounded capsules of Natural thyroid but it would be much more expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Truitt</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2009/09/09/reason-creeping-in-with-thyroid-patient-discussion/comment-page-1/#comment-43347</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Truitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 02:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shauna,

You need to be taking your temp. and gauging how you feel. If you are still not feeling right, take a little more. Before Nutrimeds I was taking 30 mg. of armour. I started out with a quarter of a nutrimeds tab, as that is somewhat close to 30 mg. But I have had to steadily increase on up to a whole tablet as I have been watching my temps. and how I feel. I am feeling pretty good after a few days on a whole tablet, but I wasn&#039;t taking that much armour to begin with. You may need considerably more. You could also call and talk with the lady at nutrimeds, I think Mary is her name. She is very helpful and answers any questions. She uses nutrimeds herself. It seems to be true that quite a bit more is needed than if a person were using armour, but my experience seems to be showing that if you get up to the right amount it can work. I also like that it is all natural and I don&#039;t want to take something like the nonprescrip stuff from Thailand that so many like, because it is full of aluminum based dyes of about four different varieties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shauna,</p>
<p>You need to be taking your temp. and gauging how you feel. If you are still not feeling right, take a little more. Before Nutrimeds I was taking 30 mg. of armour. I started out with a quarter of a nutrimeds tab, as that is somewhat close to 30 mg. But I have had to steadily increase on up to a whole tablet as I have been watching my temps. and how I feel. I am feeling pretty good after a few days on a whole tablet, but I wasn’t taking that much armour to begin with. You may need considerably more. You could also call and talk with the lady at nutrimeds, I think Mary is her name. She is very helpful and answers any questions. She uses nutrimeds herself. It seems to be true that quite a bit more is needed than if a person were using armour, but my experience seems to be showing that if you get up to the right amount it can work. I also like that it is all natural and I don’t want to take something like the nonprescrip stuff from Thailand that so many like, because it is full of aluminum based dyes of about four different varieties.</p>
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		<title>By: Enrique</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enrique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(From Janie: If you want feedback, use patient groups here: www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/talk-to-others  Also, read this: www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/things-we-have-learned , or Chapter 3 in the book with more detail, and share it with your doctor. And finally, when you post lab results to any of the above patient groups, always give the ranges)

I &#039;ve been trying to switch to Thyroid by ERFA (after 18 years on Synthroid) and I feel tired and foggy and gained 5 pounds in 2 weeks. My last test results last month were:

Free T3: 3.0 

Free T4: 1.8

Cortisol Morning (saliva): 4.6 

Cortisol Noon (saliva): 2.0 

Cortisol Evening (saliva): 0.6 (range: 0.6-1.9)

Cortisol Night (saliva): 0.3 (range: 0.4-1.0)

My doctor prescribed 2 Grains of Thyroid (Erfa)
(Note: I&#039;m weaning myself gradually from the Synthroid)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(From Janie: If you want feedback, use patient groups here: <a href="http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/talk-to-others" rel="nofollow">http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/talk-to-others</a>  Also, read this: <a href="http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/things-we-have-learned" rel="nofollow">http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/things-we-have-learned</a> , or Chapter 3 in the book with more detail, and share it with your doctor. And finally, when you post lab results to any of the above patient groups, always give the ranges)</p>
<p>I ‘ve been trying to switch to Thyroid by ERFA (after 18 years on Synthroid) and I feel tired and foggy and gained 5 pounds in 2 weeks. My last test results last month were:</p>
<p>Free T3: 3.0 </p>
<p>Free T4: 1.8</p>
<p>Cortisol Morning (saliva): 4.6 </p>
<p>Cortisol Noon (saliva): 2.0 </p>
<p>Cortisol Evening (saliva): 0.6 (range: 0.6–1.9)</p>
<p>Cortisol Night (saliva): 0.3 (range: 0.4–1.0)</p>
<p>My doctor prescribed 2 Grains of Thyroid (Erfa)<br />
(Note: I’m weaning myself gradually from the Synthroid)</p>
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