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	<title>Comments on: To all doctors and pharmacies: cellulose IS a problem with desiccated thyroid</title>
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		<title>By: melissa creel</title>
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		<dc:creator>melissa creel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 20:42:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does anyone know how long after taking thyroid meds you need to wait before taking anything that may have cellulose in it such as vitamins, etc?
Thanks,
Melissa</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does anyone know how long after taking thyroid meds you need to wait before taking anything that may have cellulose in it such as vitamins, etc?<br />
Thanks,<br />
Melissa</p>
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		<title>By: Zak Fisher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zak Fisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well we do have some lactose intolerance in our family and we just cut out on dairy products. 

(From Janie: One tablespoon of Apple Cider Vinegar in water or juice, once or twice a day, will soon take away lactose intolerance)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well we do have some lactose intolerance in our family and we just cut out on dairy products. </p>
<p>(From Janie: One tablespoon of Apple Cider Vinegar in water or juice, once or twice a day, will soon take away lactose intolerance)</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 May 2010 00:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@&quot;Anonymy&quot;

Thyroid-S is excellent (I take it myself) and does NOT have aluminum in it.  You can see the ingredient list right here on STTM.  Please do not put out false information in order to push the other Thai-made competitor, Thiroyd.  Thank you.</description>
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<p>Thyroid-S is excellent (I take it myself) and does NOT have aluminum in it.  You can see the ingredient list right here on STTM.  Please do not put out false information in order to push the other Thai-made competitor, Thiroyd.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: thycan</title>
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		<dc:creator>thycan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 13:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having been without a thyroid for many years, I will not tolerate the inferior thyroid replacement products that are being touted as efficacious when in fact, they are useless to me. A thyroid cancer patient needs to be fully suppressed (low TSH) in order to discourage any cancer growth. But it is more than a low TSH. If Free T4 and Free T3 are not optimal, the product does not work, period! When people play with a thyroid formulation that has worked for over 100 years and try to tell the patient to &quot;just adjust the dose&quot; this angers me no end. The reformulation of Armour thyroid was a complete debacle. Compounded versions that do not take into account the patient&#039;s needs are equally destructive, bordering on cruel and unusual punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having been without a thyroid for many years, I will not tolerate the inferior thyroid replacement products that are being touted as efficacious when in fact, they are useless to me. A thyroid cancer patient needs to be fully suppressed (low TSH) in order to discourage any cancer growth. But it is more than a low TSH. If Free T4 and Free T3 are not optimal, the product does not work, period! When people play with a thyroid formulation that has worked for over 100 years and try to tell the patient to &#8220;just adjust the dose&#8221; this angers me no end. The reformulation of Armour thyroid was a complete debacle. Compounded versions that do not take into account the patient&#8217;s needs are equally destructive, bordering on cruel and unusual punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 03:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tammy,

Not only did the new Armour formula effect my adrenals in a negative way, I also had an allergic reaction as well. It was very scary and very damaging to my health. It took weeks to get out of my system. I had been taking the old formula for 2 1/2 years at that point with only good results.

Seems a bit irresponsible to make a blanket statement to just raise a med without knowing the problems/symptoms that people had or without seeing labs first. 

If it wasn&#039;t the cellulose in the new formula then what was it that caused such a reaction in so many?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tammy,</p>
<p>Not only did the new Armour formula effect my adrenals in a negative way, I also had an allergic reaction as well. It was very scary and very damaging to my health. It took weeks to get out of my system. I had been taking the old formula for 2 1/2 years at that point with only good results.</p>
<p>Seems a bit irresponsible to make a blanket statement to just raise a med without knowing the problems/symptoms that people had or without seeing labs first. </p>
<p>If it wasn&#8217;t the cellulose in the new formula then what was it that caused such a reaction in so many?</p>
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		<title>By: jpatti</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpatti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 03:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you can&#039;t digest cellulose well, increasing the dose is a bad solution.  Digestive problems can vary in severity, so the dose you&#039;d be getting would vary as well.  Increasing until you&#039;re unhypo today could make you hyper tomorrow as the thyroid improves your digestion, not a good solution.

Furthermore, some folks with digestive problems can not tolerate cellulose at all.  I&#039;ve recently been talking to a woman who found her digestive issues worsen significantly with any cellulose at all.  It&#039;s not &quot;inert&quot; if your GI tract is damaged with few villi remaining; any sort of fiber causes further damage by scratching up the surface and causing severe pain. 

While ascorbic acid may cause loose stools at high doses, the neutral forms of vitamin C, such as sodium ascorbate, magnesium ascorbate and calcium ascorbate do not.  It is very easy to use a form of vitamin C that does not cause this problem and this has been common knowledge for decades, heck even Linus Pauling discussed it.  

I&#039;m not sure how much vitamin C is needed to compound a script, but I suspect it&#039;s not enough to cause loose stools even if using the acid form.  

Certainly it&#039;s not enough acidophilus to cause problems, many of us get more than would fit in a pill in our yogurt and kefir, especially if we do homemade types.  Saying the amount of acidophilus in a compounded pill could cause problems is similar to saying it&#039;s unhealthy to drink a pint of kefir - it&#039;s just ridiculous.  The vast majority of probiotics do not colonize the GI tract anyway, but pass, so it&#039;s highly unlikely this would cause a problem even if your script was compounded in some silly manner that had you swallowing 10-20 pills a day.

Similarly, the amount of lactose in a pill would be very small.  Unless you&#039;re eating an entirely carb-free diet, this is not going to increase blood glucose significantly, certainly not enough to feed yeast.  Those of us eating a more &quot;normal&quot; low-carb diet of 70-100 grams carb per day are not going to be increasing carbohydrate significantly with a pill&#039;s worth of lactose.  Though obviously those with lactose intolerance must avoid it in any dose.  

In short, compounding pharmacies ought to deal with customer&#039;s known issues with fillers... some will have issues with cellulose, some with lactose, etc.  

Avoiding those issues is the way to keep customers coming back; insisting they MUST have a filler they know cause them problems is just ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can&#8217;t digest cellulose well, increasing the dose is a bad solution.  Digestive problems can vary in severity, so the dose you&#8217;d be getting would vary as well.  Increasing until you&#8217;re unhypo today could make you hyper tomorrow as the thyroid improves your digestion, not a good solution.</p>
<p>Furthermore, some folks with digestive problems can not tolerate cellulose at all.  I&#8217;ve recently been talking to a woman who found her digestive issues worsen significantly with any cellulose at all.  It&#8217;s not &#8220;inert&#8221; if your GI tract is damaged with few villi remaining; any sort of fiber causes further damage by scratching up the surface and causing severe pain. </p>
<p>While ascorbic acid may cause loose stools at high doses, the neutral forms of vitamin C, such as sodium ascorbate, magnesium ascorbate and calcium ascorbate do not.  It is very easy to use a form of vitamin C that does not cause this problem and this has been common knowledge for decades, heck even Linus Pauling discussed it.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure how much vitamin C is needed to compound a script, but I suspect it&#8217;s not enough to cause loose stools even if using the acid form.  </p>
<p>Certainly it&#8217;s not enough acidophilus to cause problems, many of us get more than would fit in a pill in our yogurt and kefir, especially if we do homemade types.  Saying the amount of acidophilus in a compounded pill could cause problems is similar to saying it&#8217;s unhealthy to drink a pint of kefir &#8211; it&#8217;s just ridiculous.  The vast majority of probiotics do not colonize the GI tract anyway, but pass, so it&#8217;s highly unlikely this would cause a problem even if your script was compounded in some silly manner that had you swallowing 10-20 pills a day.</p>
<p>Similarly, the amount of lactose in a pill would be very small.  Unless you&#8217;re eating an entirely carb-free diet, this is not going to increase blood glucose significantly, certainly not enough to feed yeast.  Those of us eating a more &#8220;normal&#8221; low-carb diet of 70-100 grams carb per day are not going to be increasing carbohydrate significantly with a pill&#8217;s worth of lactose.  Though obviously those with lactose intolerance must avoid it in any dose.  </p>
<p>In short, compounding pharmacies ought to deal with customer&#8217;s known issues with fillers&#8230; some will have issues with cellulose, some with lactose, etc.  </p>
<p>Avoiding those issues is the way to keep customers coming back; insisting they MUST have a filler they know cause them problems is just ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 03:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, once again a &quot;well-known health cen­ter in Texas&quot; has given their patient the finger.  Not listening, as always.  I guess it doesn&#039;t matter how well known you are, listening and respecting the experiences of patients and their ability to know what&#039;s going on in their very own bodies, is lost in the mix.  I&#039;m not surprised.  I guess we have to remember that they think they are in charge and when big brother says &quot;No&quot; then no it is.  Very very sad and yet oh so typical.  I hope this person finds a doctor/pharmacist who can think outside the box and maybe try something that could potentially help with no possibility of a negative side effect.  Yeah, probiotics are really going to kill someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, once again a &#8220;well-known health cen­ter in Texas&#8221; has given their patient the finger.  Not listening, as always.  I guess it doesn&#8217;t matter how well known you are, listening and respecting the experiences of patients and their ability to know what&#8217;s going on in their very own bodies, is lost in the mix.  I&#8217;m not surprised.  I guess we have to remember that they think they are in charge and when big brother says &#8220;No&#8221; then no it is.  Very very sad and yet oh so typical.  I hope this person finds a doctor/pharmacist who can think outside the box and maybe try something that could potentially help with no possibility of a negative side effect.  Yeah, probiotics are really going to kill someone.</p>
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		<title>By: Janie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 00:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tammy, raising has not helped the cellulose problem.Instead, it has caused even more problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tammy, raising has not helped the cellulose problem.Instead, it has caused even more problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Tammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2010 00:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must comment on the use of cellulose in compounded thyroid.  Cellulose does not collect in the lungs when taken orally.  In the studies referenced above, the cellulose was given by intravenous and intratracheal routes.  Cellulose is widely used as a filler because it metabolically inert.  Other fillers have drawbacks.  Lactose can cause problems for those with lactose intolerance.  Ascorbic acid can cause loose stools. Probiotics can cause gastrointestinal symptoms like bloating, cramping and diarrhea.  Both Vitamin C and probiotics are critical to good health, but they should be taken separately in order to make dose adjustments to bowel tolerance. If thyroid syptoms are unresolved, an adjustment to the thyroid dose should be considered.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must comment on the use of cellulose in compounded thyroid.  Cellulose does not collect in the lungs when taken orally.  In the studies referenced above, the cellulose was given by intravenous and intratracheal routes.  Cellulose is widely used as a filler because it metabolically inert.  Other fillers have drawbacks.  Lactose can cause problems for those with lactose intolerance.  Ascorbic acid can cause loose stools. Probiotics can cause gastrointestinal symptoms like bloating, cramping and diarrhea.  Both Vitamin C and probiotics are critical to good health, but they should be taken separately in order to make dose adjustments to bowel tolerance. If thyroid syptoms are unresolved, an adjustment to the thyroid dose should be considered.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 21:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of the more reason I am sticking with ERFA Thyroid- I have to pay more for it but it sure beats feeling like poop and my whole bodily systems run fantastic and I am not about to ruin a good thing after getting myself turned around yet again! LOL I love this stuff and it works nicely with all my other supplementation. It dissolves really nicely under the tongue too. Go Erfa and there isn&#039;t a day I don&#039;t go by that I don&#039;t thank my doctor- she has been wonderful!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the more reason I am sticking with ERFA Thyroid- I have to pay more for it but it sure beats feeling like poop and my whole bodily systems run fantastic and I am not about to ruin a good thing after getting myself turned around yet again! LOL I love this stuff and it works nicely with all my other supplementation. It dissolves really nicely under the tongue too. Go Erfa and there isn&#8217;t a day I don&#8217;t go by that I don&#8217;t thank my doctor- she has been wonderful!</p>
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