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		<title>By: M</title>
		<link>http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/2011/12/10/why-iron-is-so-important-milk-thistle/comment-page-1/#comment-159835</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2012 01:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Caution if you have low iron -- Milk Thistle actually rids the body of iron!  

Not only does it inhibit absorption of iron in supplements or foods, it seems to actually wrest iron from body tissues.  Some medical practitioners use it to treat people who have iron-overload/hemochromatosis.

Not only did I discover that taking milk thistle for 2 months reversed my hard-won increases over the previous 6 months in my serum ferritin (I am on iron supplementation prescribed by my doctor due to very low serum ferritin levels), but there are many research articles about it.  I will list the links for several published articles below, so you can read about it yourself.
  
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2003_June/ai_102372145/:  
http://www.nutritionalwellness.com/archives/2010/may/05_bone.php
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20628405
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18458640
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3098397/?tool=pubmed
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9468229
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11410232

If you have low or even moderate iron stores, please think very carefully about taking milk thistle, or any supplement that includes silymarin (a component of milk thistle) -- which I have just discovered is unfortunately in the new multivitamin I went to great expense 2 weeks ago to import a 6-months&#039; supply from the States -- because it&#039;s so effective in ridding the body of iron.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Caution if you have low iron &#8212; Milk Thistle actually rids the body of iron!  </p>
<p>Not only does it inhibit absorption of iron in supplements or foods, it seems to actually wrest iron from body tissues.  Some medical practitioners use it to treat people who have iron-overload/hemochromatosis.</p>
<p>Not only did I discover that taking milk thistle for 2 months reversed my hard-won increases over the previous 6 months in my serum ferritin (I am on iron supplementation prescribed by my doctor due to very low serum ferritin levels), but there are many research articles about it.  I will list the links for several published articles below, so you can read about it yourself.</p>
<p><a href="http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2003_June/ai_102372145/" rel="nofollow">http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_2003_June/ai_102372145/</a>:<br />
<a href="http://www.nutritionalwellness.com/archives/2010/may/05_bone.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.nutritionalwellness.com/archives/2010/may/05_bone.php</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20628405" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20628405</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18458640" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18458640</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3098397/?tool=pubmed" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3098397/?tool=pubmed</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9468229" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9468229</a><br />
<a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11410232" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11410232</a></p>
<p>If you have low or even moderate iron stores, please think very carefully about taking milk thistle, or any supplement that includes silymarin (a component of milk thistle) &#8212; which I have just discovered is unfortunately in the new multivitamin I went to great expense 2 weeks ago to import a 6-months&#8217; supply from the States &#8212; because it&#8217;s so effective in ridding the body of iron.</p>
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		<title>By: newseum</title>
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		<dc:creator>newseum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 19:35:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Diane posted the link at Facebook and then got a lot of likes...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Diane posted the link at Facebook and then got a lot of likes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ava</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 05:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this good website.  I am just finding out about Thyroid/Blood Sugar/Adrenal connection after a hospitalization for SIRS where I was asked if I had Diabetes (!) and sent home as normal.  I started from scratch to research years worth of symptoms. 
I am so very appreciative of the great empowering information you present here. THANKS again and I will visit you again !!!:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this good website.  I am just finding out about Thyroid/Blood Sugar/Adrenal connection after a hospitalization for SIRS where I was asked if I had Diabetes (!) and sent home as normal.  I started from scratch to research years worth of symptoms.<br />
I am so very appreciative of the great empowering information you present here. THANKS again and I will visit you again !!!:)</p>
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		<title>By: JMR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JMR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jan 2012 02:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for a very informative post. I was diagnosed with iron deficiency as a child and took supplements for a few months. Nobody ever mentioned it again until a few years ago when I asked my doctor for an iron test when I was 40 yrs old. Undiagnosed hypothyroidism had caused me to gain weight and I tried to fix that by exercising a lot. A nutritionist giving a seminar to my marathon training group told me that many female runners are anemic and recommended getting an iron panel. Apparently, we lose iron through sweat, urine, and every time our feet strike the ground when running. My doctor refused to test my iron, but I ordered the labs online myself and found I was deficient. Over time, I became too ill to run so iron loss for that reason wasn&#039;t a concern. But I do test my iron a few times a year and have found it necessary to continue supplementing as well as eating an iron rich diet and cooking with cast iron pans. I&#039;ve learned that when my thyroid levels are not optimal, my iron drops like a stone, so fast it is shocking.

So check your iron. Get a blood test. And if you are post-menopausal, don&#039;t assume your iron can&#039;t be low. It definitely can. But get it tested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for a very informative post. I was diagnosed with iron deficiency as a child and took supplements for a few months. Nobody ever mentioned it again until a few years ago when I asked my doctor for an iron test when I was 40 yrs old. Undiagnosed hypothyroidism had caused me to gain weight and I tried to fix that by exercising a lot. A nutritionist giving a seminar to my marathon training group told me that many female runners are anemic and recommended getting an iron panel. Apparently, we lose iron through sweat, urine, and every time our feet strike the ground when running. My doctor refused to test my iron, but I ordered the labs online myself and found I was deficient. Over time, I became too ill to run so iron loss for that reason wasn&#8217;t a concern. But I do test my iron a few times a year and have found it necessary to continue supplementing as well as eating an iron rich diet and cooking with cast iron pans. I&#8217;ve learned that when my thyroid levels are not optimal, my iron drops like a stone, so fast it is shocking.</p>
<p>So check your iron. Get a blood test. And if you are post-menopausal, don&#8217;t assume your iron can&#8217;t be low. It definitely can. But get it tested.</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 22:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MENOPAUSE + IRON SUPPLEMENTATION--A BIT DICEY!!!

Janie, I love what you&#039;re doing--sorry to repeat myself, I&#039;ve said it before, don&#039;t mean to sound like a broken record (did I just age myself?!).  My iron experience is as follows: when my sex hormones shifted around the age of 12 and I started menstruating, all my internal systems got knocked off balance, and stayed rather deranged for the next 35 or so years until I stopped with the menstruation business last year.  (Accurate as it may be, I hate to make this assertion openly, because immature men, hostile to women (who, sadly, have been controlling the allegedly-civilized world for thousands of years----but I digress!), have gone mad belittling women, questioning our competence and even our sanity, on account of the challenges some of us face with our reproductive capabilities.  So somehow I&#039;m going to have to work on a way of stating my case without leaving myself open to attack from the peanut gallery.)  I fell into a depression when I was 12, and it was really like being underwater for these past 35 years, occasionally breaking the surface for a time, only to sink again.  I also became chronically anemic, but didn&#039;t start supplementing with iron regularly until I was in my 20s, and by golly did that help!  The iron mitigated symptoms of fatigue and poor sleep which contribute to feelings of depression.  My favorite product, Thompson&#039;s Blood Builder, went off the market, and in my 30s I became an avid devotee of Nature&#039;s Plus HemaPlex, which has an astounding 85mgs of elemental iron in it, together with a synergistic blend of other supplements (no, I don&#039;t work for the company!LOL).  Oddly, when I started taking an antidepressant, Zoloft, in my mid-late 30s, my anemia began to resolve, and I could not tell you why.  It&#039;s not as if I started eating better because the depression abated, I don&#039;t think my diet changed at all.  But dealing with hypothyroidism has taught me that there is such an intricate and delicate balance between the 100s of hormones in our bodies, that a teeny-tiny shift in one can impact many, if not all, of the others.  So maybe the shift in estrogen/progesterone and all the other sex hormones when I was 12 impacted the serotonin/dopamine levels which are theorized to control depression; and maybe taking iron boosted serotonin, and when I boosted serotonin with Zoloft, I didn&#039;t need as much iron---yikes!  Add in that in my early 40s I was diagnosed with subclinical hypothyroidism and started taking Armour thyroid---my brain is getting tired trying to keep track of all this stuff, it&#039;s beginning to get like a mental Rubik&#039;s Cube!  Anyway, I&#039;m always interested in things we can do to improve our health and quality of life without dependence on pharmaceuticals, as grateful as I am that they are available.  So I like reading about diet &amp; nutrition, and I have seen a lot of warnings about iron, and I didn&#039;t understand what all the fuss was about until I read that, oddly enough, our bodies have no mechanism to eliminate excess iron, which is the weirdest thing in the world, because too much iron is a really bad thing, it&#039;s quite toxic.  The only way to get rid of it is to donate blood (which is a great thing to do in any event), or take some kind of inositol (IP6 if I remember correctly, but check that, if you need to).  I&#039;ve read that excess iron intake kills a great many children every year, though I haven&#039;t yet bothered to Google that fact for back-up.  But for men, and for post-menopausal women who are not losing blood every month any more, iron supplementation is a big no-no.  The first time I visited my rheumatologist after my periods had stopped, I asked to have all the requisite iron-specific blood tests done because I had continued to take my beloved Hema-Plex, because I wasn&#039;t sure if I was just skipping periods, or finished altogether.  The hormone tests confirmed menopause, and not surprisingly, my ferritin level was well above range.  So the new box of Hema-Plex sits in my kitchen cabinet, waiting for someone to come along who will be able to use it. :-)  And I get a little bananas when I read food labels, because so much of our food is fortified with iron, and calcium, and all this stuff that I really wish they would leave to the consumer to choose.  In any event, you get my point. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MENOPAUSE + IRON SUPPLEMENTATION&#8211;A BIT DICEY!!!</p>
<p>Janie, I love what you&#8217;re doing&#8211;sorry to repeat myself, I&#8217;ve said it before, don&#8217;t mean to sound like a broken record (did I just age myself?!).  My iron experience is as follows: when my sex hormones shifted around the age of 12 and I started menstruating, all my internal systems got knocked off balance, and stayed rather deranged for the next 35 or so years until I stopped with the menstruation business last year.  (Accurate as it may be, I hate to make this assertion openly, because immature men, hostile to women (who, sadly, have been controlling the allegedly-civilized world for thousands of years&#8212;-but I digress!), have gone mad belittling women, questioning our competence and even our sanity, on account of the challenges some of us face with our reproductive capabilities.  So somehow I&#8217;m going to have to work on a way of stating my case without leaving myself open to attack from the peanut gallery.)  I fell into a depression when I was 12, and it was really like being underwater for these past 35 years, occasionally breaking the surface for a time, only to sink again.  I also became chronically anemic, but didn&#8217;t start supplementing with iron regularly until I was in my 20s, and by golly did that help!  The iron mitigated symptoms of fatigue and poor sleep which contribute to feelings of depression.  My favorite product, Thompson&#8217;s Blood Builder, went off the market, and in my 30s I became an avid devotee of Nature&#8217;s Plus HemaPlex, which has an astounding 85mgs of elemental iron in it, together with a synergistic blend of other supplements (no, I don&#8217;t work for the company!LOL).  Oddly, when I started taking an antidepressant, Zoloft, in my mid-late 30s, my anemia began to resolve, and I could not tell you why.  It&#8217;s not as if I started eating better because the depression abated, I don&#8217;t think my diet changed at all.  But dealing with hypothyroidism has taught me that there is such an intricate and delicate balance between the 100s of hormones in our bodies, that a teeny-tiny shift in one can impact many, if not all, of the others.  So maybe the shift in estrogen/progesterone and all the other sex hormones when I was 12 impacted the serotonin/dopamine levels which are theorized to control depression; and maybe taking iron boosted serotonin, and when I boosted serotonin with Zoloft, I didn&#8217;t need as much iron&#8212;yikes!  Add in that in my early 40s I was diagnosed with subclinical hypothyroidism and started taking Armour thyroid&#8212;my brain is getting tired trying to keep track of all this stuff, it&#8217;s beginning to get like a mental Rubik&#8217;s Cube!  Anyway, I&#8217;m always interested in things we can do to improve our health and quality of life without dependence on pharmaceuticals, as grateful as I am that they are available.  So I like reading about diet &amp; nutrition, and I have seen a lot of warnings about iron, and I didn&#8217;t understand what all the fuss was about until I read that, oddly enough, our bodies have no mechanism to eliminate excess iron, which is the weirdest thing in the world, because too much iron is a really bad thing, it&#8217;s quite toxic.  The only way to get rid of it is to donate blood (which is a great thing to do in any event), or take some kind of inositol (IP6 if I remember correctly, but check that, if you need to).  I&#8217;ve read that excess iron intake kills a great many children every year, though I haven&#8217;t yet bothered to Google that fact for back-up.  But for men, and for post-menopausal women who are not losing blood every month any more, iron supplementation is a big no-no.  The first time I visited my rheumatologist after my periods had stopped, I asked to have all the requisite iron-specific blood tests done because I had continued to take my beloved Hema-Plex, because I wasn&#8217;t sure if I was just skipping periods, or finished altogether.  The hormone tests confirmed menopause, and not surprisingly, my ferritin level was well above range.  So the new box of Hema-Plex sits in my kitchen cabinet, waiting for someone to come along who will be able to use it. <img src='http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   And I get a little bananas when I read food labels, because so much of our food is fortified with iron, and calcium, and all this stuff that I really wish they would leave to the consumer to choose.  In any event, you get my point. <img src='http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/wp/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Sandra</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Dec 2011 23:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just sent this to my mom to read who is struggling with low iron but does not have a doctor who will treat as you&#039;ve said above. Due to her age she second guesses her symptoms because the doctor told her her levels are fine. 
I take milk thistle all the time and know it has helped m greatly, liver wise. I no longer have a red nose (and I don&#039;t drink!). 

Thanks for all your hard work and forever changing our lives!

(From Janie: It&#039;s my pleasure. I suffered SO deeply all those years that it propels me to NOT let this happen to others. Information rocks!) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just sent this to my mom to read who is struggling with low iron but does not have a doctor who will treat as you&#8217;ve said above. Due to her age she second guesses her symptoms because the doctor told her her levels are fine.<br />
I take milk thistle all the time and know it has helped m greatly, liver wise. I no longer have a red nose (and I don&#8217;t drink!). </p>
<p>Thanks for all your hard work and forever changing our lives!</p>
<p>(From Janie: It&#8217;s my pleasure. I suffered SO deeply all those years that it propels me to NOT let this happen to others. Information rocks!) </p>
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		<title>By: Christine East</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christine East</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2011 00:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This list surprised me.  I was diagnosed anemic at a very young age (around 13) then took iron until I was in my 30&#039;s.  When I started treating my hypothyroidism, the iron pills made me sick in my stomach and I actually vomitted them back.  I do not have any anemia now nor the 20 years I have been treating my thyroid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This list surprised me.  I was diagnosed anemic at a very young age (around 13) then took iron until I was in my 30&#8242;s.  When I started treating my hypothyroidism, the iron pills made me sick in my stomach and I actually vomitted them back.  I do not have any anemia now nor the 20 years I have been treating my thyroid.</p>
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