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Gee golly bazooka: guess who started a conversation with me?

SumoWrestlersYesterday, I was meandering through a small biking/river runners store, exchanging a vest I got my son for Christmas that turned out to be too large, and looking intently for a replacement gift he’d like.

The only other shopper left—a tall, dark and handsome young man. And almost as quickly, he re-entered,  approached me, and asked if that was my car out there.

“My car?” I replied. “Yes, why?”

“I’m curious about the sticker you have on your back window,” he stated with a friendly but curious smile.

The sticker is of Calvin peeing on the word of a particular T4-only medication.  I give these away free if someone requests it with their current order of the STTM book.  And this was not the first time I’ve been asked about that attention-getting sticker.

So I proceeded to tell him that I’m a Thyroid Patient Activist, owner of Stop the Thyroid Madness, about the history of T4, how lousy many patients have reported doing on it for nearly 60 years with their own variety and intensity of lingering hypo symptoms, and how much better natural desiccated thyroid has been for patients all over the world.

I then innocently asked: “Are you on Synthroid?” I just knew I had one more victim of this treatment who needed enlightenment.

“Nope”,  he said with a confident and defiant air.  “I have until recently been a pharmaceutical rep with Abbott Labs.”

THWACK.   Standing before me stood a mighty well-trained Big Pharma champion for Synthroid who was going to reveal and defend his propaganda like a master. And that led to the most heated and piercing give-and-take I’ve ever experienced, right in front of the chagrined and wide-eyed sales person at the checkout desk. We were like sumo wrestlers butting our words against each other.

When I explained the slew of continuing symptoms reported by patients worldwide who have been on T4, and no matter how high they raised it…his response?  “Those symptoms can be the result of many issues other than hypothyroidism.”

I responded: “Well isn’t it odd that those who are hypo and on Synthroid, and who get on desiccated thyroid, find those symptoms completely removed.”

His reply?? “Heroin can do the same thing”.  Groan. I simply had to laugh at him. How many times have we heard the same kind of baloney.

He proceeded to tell me in great detail with each point he made that:

  1. He has worked with many patients and they do well on Synthroid (A rep has worked with many patients? And what in the world does “well” mean?)
  2. Clinical trials have proven that Synthroid works. (Ah! You mean those financed by Abbott Labs and which are contrary to the reported experience of millions of patients around the world? Those??)
  3. The TSH lab test gives proof about the efficacy of T4 (Funny how patients all over the world have proven by their continuing symptoms that the TSH lab test for the diagnosis and treatment of hypothyroidism belongs at the bottom of a trash heap)
  4. There are many differences in the efficacy of T4 brands to explain any issues in patients (Funny how not ONE brand of T4 has been exempt from leaving continuing symptoms according to the global rexperience of a huge body of patients) 
  5. Blaming T4 for the amount of adrenal fatigue that “supposedly” some T4-treated patients find themselves with is silly since there can be other reasons for it. (Another laugh on my part.  Clearly, when someone isn’t adequately treated on T4, something has to kick in to keep them going, and voila–it’s those trusty dusty adrenals which eventually just poop out thanks to T4 and the TSH.)

There were much more machine gun stances between us, but that would make this blog post far too long.

One truth we did agree on? That “some” patients do get benefit from using T4. He specifically referred to the elderly. And my quick response? Why accept “some” when patients all over the world report getting rid of that “some” with desiccated thyroid (and especially for certain ones who also treat their low cortisol, low ferritin, and other issues most likely related to an inferior treatment.)

Clearly, we were each deadlocked in our positions.  And he concluded, looking at the sales associate, that neither of us were wrong; we just represented two sides.

And I turned my head, looked him straight in the eye, and said:  Uhhh, no. YOU are completely and totally wrong.

P.S. After he left, the sales gal said she was totally in tune with what I was saying, and wrote down the name of this website. lol lol

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See the blog post below about favored Canadian pharmacies, plus many more comments by patients.

What the heck is going on with desiccated thyroid and current shortages? Read about it here.


  • Want to keep track of these ‘fringe web­site’ blog posts? ;-) Curious what’s on radi­cal Janie’s mind? Use the notification on the lower left of the links, called a Newsletter, or an RSS Feed.
  • Keep informed of each live Thyroid Patient Community Call on Talkshoe by signing up as a follower.
  • The extre­mely hip and sophis­ti­ca­ted STTM t-shirts are half price! Great BUMPER STICKERS, too. Spread the word--YOU may make a difference in someone’s life.
  • Check out the patient-to-patient book with even more detail (and which doctors seem to respect more than websites).
  • Need options for thy­roid treat­ment during the current shor­ta­ges due to demand being grea­ter than supply? Go here.

A guy’s story: scaring the hell out of him about being on HC cortisol!

FEARSeveral years ago, a large percentage of thyroid patients on yahoo groups like NTH were figuring out that they had adrenal fatigue, aka low cortisol, from years of adrenals working overtime due to the inadequate TSH lab test, or being on the lousy T4-only medications like Synthroid, Levoxyl, levothyroxine, Eltroxin, etc.

Not only does low cortisol keep desiccated thyroid from working well, it also causes all sorts of angst with paranoia, depression, anxiety, easy anger, sensitivity to light and/or sounds, reclusiveness, sleep issues and more.

First, patients discovered the importance of using the 24 hour adrenal saliva test rather than blood or urine. When low cortisol was confirmed, the treatment was using cortisol, aka hydrocortisone, to give themselves back what their adrenals were not, to allow thyroid hormones to reach the cells, and to give the pooped out adrenals a rest.

And success was achieved! When all other issues were discovered and treated, patients were finally able to heal their adrenals with cortisol use, wean off, and be successful in their continued treatment with desiccated thyroid! That success continues today!

Yet in spite of clear success in the treatment of low cortisol with supplemental cortisol in the correct amount for each individual (which can range from 15 to 40 mg generally–men often need the higher end), as well as excellent books on the subject by Wilson, Peatfield, Jeffries and the STTM book, patients like RD below still encounter doctors who fill their minds with all sorts of fear and warnings:

I bought your book and later on I discovered your website which are both great. They are a superb source of information and support for thyroid and adrenal fatigue sufferers. Thank you so much!

Personally I got adrenal fatigue by a sustained lack of sleep for several years (crying babies).  I found a doctor who prescribed Hydrocortisone (17.5 mg/day, 5-5-5-2.5), Fludrocortisone, DHEA and Testosterone. Symptoms disappeared in about 2 weeks.

A first attempt to wean off after 6 months made some serious symptoms reappear very quickly, so I returned to the original dose.

It is very stressful that many established doctors (our family doctor, and my wife’s thyroid-endocrinologist) are scaring me like hell that I am taking HC. They are saying I am destroying my body and I will never succeed in weaning off HC.

My wife is a T4-only thyroid-patient with low-cortisol symptoms. She also has been scared about dessicated thyroid and HC. Reading your book I was however convinced she could benefit a lot from a better treatment…

Keep up the good work, as patients we are really left alone in the dark by our doctors…

And unfortunately, it’s true. Thyroid and adrenal patients are left in the dark by many doctors about a variety of issues related to better thyroid treatment, adrenal issues, low ferritin, and more.  So here’s where you can read more, and in turn, take this important information into your doctors offices:

  • All about the problem of adrenal fatigue
  • How to treat
  • Symptoms of having an adrenal problem
  • The STTM book, which not only has more detail, but can be taken right into the doctor’s office
  • Talk to other patients, including a group targeted for adrenal fatigue

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Dr.JohnCLoweIf you missed the excellent Part 2 with researcher Dr. John C. Lowe last Thursday evenings, you can listen to the recording, as well as sign up to be a Follower of the Thyroid Patient Community Call, here.


  • Want to keep track of these ‘fringe web­site’ blog posts? ;-) Curious what’s on radi­cal Janie’s mind? Use the notification on the lower left of the links, called a Newsletter, or an RSS Feed.
  • Keep informed of each live Thyroid Patient Community Call on Talkshoe by signing up as a follower.
  • The extre­mely hip and sophis­ti­ca­ted STTM t-shirts are half price! Great BUMPER STICKERS, too. Spread the word--YOU may make a difference in someone’s life.
  • Check out the patient-to-patient book with even more detail (and which doctors seem to respect more than websites).
  • Need options for thy­roid treat­ment during the current shor­ta­ges due to demand being grea­ter than supply? Go here.

The agonies of being thyroidless

Thyroid is Missing From Human Throat
There was a time when I thought being hypo without a thyroid was really no different than being hypo with one.  Hypo is hypo.

But I was wrong. There really is a difference in our journeys–even if we both end up with hypothyroidism—and four strong ones:

  1. It’s no picnic to lose one’s thyroid. Surgical removal, called a thyroidectomy,  can come with neck soreness, loss of one’s voice, and other complications. including the loss of parathyroids.  Treatment with RAI, or Iodine 1-131 to kill the thyroid, has it’s own lifelong side effects, including gastrointestinal issues, parotid salivary gland problems, and more.  A good website about the controversy of RAI is atomicwomen.org.
  2. The stress of surgery and/or RAI can do a number on one’s adrenals. I suspect that there is a high percentage of those who had surgery and/or RAI who also have adrenal fatigue with it’s nightmarish side effects, whether simply from the physical stress of removal and/or treatment, or having a Synthroid, T4-only obsessed doctor.  Being on T4 is the number one predictor of adrenal fatigue.
  3. Some have a unique anguish about their vulnerability. No one can live without a thyroid.  And that thought with the absolute lifelong dependency on thyroid meds is not a comfortable state.
  4. Life long regret can be huge. Many patients came to realize, after removal, that they may not have needed the removal at all if they had known about the fallacy of the TSH lab test, or the idiocy of T4-only meds, or potential benefits of iodine, or natural desiccated thyroid like Naturethroid, compounded, or Erfa Thyroid.

Read the latest personal and gut-wrenching blog post by thyroid cancer Stephanie Buist, who is thyroidless after treatment for thyroid cancer nearly 10 years ago.  Also see the Talk to Others link below to find the Thyroidless yahoo group.

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Curious what’s going on with Naturethroid or Westhroid production and availability? RLC Labs has a Patient Information Line you can always call for the latest information on Naturethroid and Westhroid availability: 877-600-4752.

Want to write a post for the STTM blog?? Beginning in 2010, I will be reviewing and accepting “thyroid patient guest posts” on the STTM blog in between my own. You can read about it here: www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/writing-a-guest-blog-post-on-sttm/

Want to honor someone who has helped you?? See the blog post below and thank someone.

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  • Want to keep track of these ‘fringe web­site’ blog posts? ;-) Curious what’s on radi­cal Janie’s mind? Use the notification on the lower left of the links, called a Newsletter, or an RSS Feed.
  • Keep informed of each live Thyroid Patient Community Call on Talkshoe by signing up as a follower.
  • The extre­mely hip and sophis­ti­ca­ted STTM t-shirts are half price! Great BUMPER STICKERS, too. Spread the word--YOU may make a difference in someone’s life.
  • Check out the patient-to-patient book with even more detail (and which doctors seem to respect more than websites).
  • Need options for thy­roid treat­ment during the current shor­ta­ges due to demand being grea­ter than supply? Go here.

The unsung heroes of this thyroid patient movement

shakinghands1Let me tell you, there are a LOT of individuals—those I know and those I don’t—who give their blood, sweat and tears to help thyroid patients with feedback and information to help them feel better in their treatment, and with no notoriety that I or a few others get.   i.e they do what they do without a huge or far-reaching website like STTM, or a well-known blog, or a popular book, or other ways a few of us get well-known.

And in my mind, these individuals deserve praise and recognition. They are just as important in their direct one-on-one influence and helpfulness as those of us who gained public recognition.

Where are these people? They are those who own and/or moderate and/or contribute often to thyroid forums, such as Deborah and her mods on Real Thyroid Help, and Pam and others on Low Carb Friends.

For helpful Yahoo groups, there is Linda aka Topper of The Thyroid Support GroupSam and her mod Darla of the Thyroidless group, Valerie Taylor and her excellent and patient mods Diane and birrdyy of NTH Adrenals and RT3/T3 group,  Darla, Linda, Meleese and Pat of NTHJan Nathan with her Texas group plus other state groups.

There are many who voluntarily helped others in the last few years who aren’t as active anymore, but still deserve praise.

And there are many other individuals who own, moderate, or give helpful feedback to patients on forums and yahoo groups I could mention, but I don’t know their names or am just drawing a distracted holiday blank.  I also noticed several thyroid cancer groups.

So, if you want to recognize an individual who has helped you and others but is less publicly well known, use the Comments below and give 1) their name, 2) what group or forum if applicable, and 3) specifically how they helped you on your path in finding a much better thyroid treatment protocol and good health.


  • Want to keep track of these ‘fringe web­site’ blog posts? ;-) Curious what’s on radi­cal Janie’s mind? Use the notification on the lower left of the links, called a Newsletter, or an RSS Feed.
  • Keep informed of each live Thyroid Patient Community Call on Talkshoe by signing up as a follower.
  • The extre­mely hip and sophis­ti­ca­ted STTM t-shirts are half price! Great BUMPER STICKERS, too. Spread the word--YOU may make a difference in someone’s life.
  • Check out the patient-to-patient book with even more detail (and which doctors seem to respect more than websites).
  • Need options for thy­roid treat­ment during the current shor­ta­ges due to demand being grea­ter than supply? Go here.

Are we running out of desiccated thyroid powder???

And now that I have your attention, here’s the answer straight from the mouth of Kenny Soejoto, Chief Operating Officer of the only North American maker of desiccated porcine natural thyroid powder (American Laboratories): a firm NO!

“We have amply supply and so do the distributors for compounding pharmacists”, underscores Soejoto when I chatted with him today.

He also added in response to the recent shortages:  “We didn’t spare an expense to push it along”.  i.e  “American Laboratories have caught up with all backorders, with the exception of one major company which has tight specifications, but they should be caught up by the first quarter in 2010″, explained Soejoto.

So what about specific rumors we keep hearing??

  1. My compounding pharmacy said they weren’t able to get it. Kenny explained that a small compounding pharmacy often can’t afford the minimum order that American Laboratories requires, nor does the smaller pharmacy want that much, which is an 110 lb drum of powder.  So, says Soejoto, they need to contact their distributor, who is the middle man between a compounding pharmacy and American Laboratories. “The distributor for compounding pharmacies, “ explained Kenny, “will buy the larger amounts, make smaller packets, and then sell those to the compounding pharmacies”.
  2. American Laboratories can’t be the only North American makers of powdered thyroid because my compounder told me a different name. The different name you heard is the middle man mentioned above–a distributor for the thyroid powder to the compounding pharmacy. But that distributor got their supply from American Laboratories.
  3. My regular pharmacy said there is a supply issue for the brand I wanted. Again, Kenny explains there is no supply issue–they have plenty. Any pharmaceutical company that makes desiccated thyroid has to have ongoing credit worthiness and documentation before AI can sell to them. Also, we are simply experiencing continued demand being greater than supply, and it can take time to catch up.  i.e. there may be more to the story than you hear under any comment about a supply issue problem.

In conclusion, Kenny Soejoto said they simply got into trouble from the growth of interest in desiccated thyroid the past few years, and they are much better prepared. Even Europe is inquiring more about it, he said. And my response to him?? Get ready, because you are doing millions of potential thyroid patients a HUGE favor by making it,  and we’re going to continue to spread the world about natural desiccated thyroid.  :)

Check out posts below about other important issues, including more from Erfa, plus the problem of cellulose in compounded and regular desiccated thyroid.

*HO HO HO! Have a STTM book sent to someone  you care about as a CHRISTMAS or HOLIDAY present. A card will be included, and the book will be in an envelope with a red bow!! Save money the more you buy!


  • Want to keep track of these ‘fringe web­site’ blog posts? ;-) Curious what’s on radi­cal Janie’s mind? Use the notification on the lower left of the links, called a Newsletter, or an RSS Feed.
  • Keep informed of each live Thyroid Patient Community Call on Talkshoe by signing up as a follower.
  • The extre­mely hip and sophis­ti­ca­ted STTM t-shirts are half price! Great BUMPER STICKERS, too. Spread the word--YOU may make a difference in someone’s life.
  • Check out the patient-to-patient book with even more detail (and which doctors seem to respect more than websites).
  • Need options for thy­roid treat­ment during the current shor­ta­ges due to demand being grea­ter than supply? Go here.