The recent press release by the UK’s Royal College of Phy­si­cians about the new gui­de­li­nes on the diag­no­sis and mana­ge­ment of pri­mary hypothy­roi­dism hit the web with a resoun­ding, stiff-necked thud.

And I have writ­ten about it in the news media here:  http://www.opednews.com/articles/The-Royal-College-of-Physi-by-Janie-Bowthorpe-090210 – 698.html

p.s.  In the 1600’s, Gali­leo was the first most pro­li­fic voice to proc­laim that the earth revol­ved around the sun (Armour), in con­trast to the firmly held posi­tion that the sun revol­ved around the earth (Thy­ro­xine).  He was denoun­ced as being dan­ge­rous and here­ti­cal. But over time, the truth won out. :)

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10 Responses to “What in the world is the UK’s Royal College of Physicians thinking??”

  1. nutralady2001 said:

    Feb 14, 09 at 4:29 pm

    The mad­ness not only con­ti­nues but is get­ting worse, aided and abet­ted no doubt my our …*cough* .….…..“good friend”.….….. Pro­fes­sor Anthony Weet­man. Let’s give the man a thy­roi­dec­tomy then put him on T4. He’ll no doubt be sig­ning a dif­fe­rent tune not far down the track

  2. Louise said:

    Feb 14, 09 at 7:39 pm

    I’ll pre­face this by saying I’m a skep­tic and science nerd. I find nearly all “alter­na­tive” medi­cine sorely lac­king in evi­dence. But I just do not get the obs­ti­nate, infle­xibly dog­ma­tic approach doc­tors take with thy­roid treat­ment. Com­bi­na­tion T4/T3 the­rapy, whether through synthe­tics OR Armour/etc, is not some shonky treat­ment drea­med up in recent years for quacks to sell. Des­si­ca­ted por­cine thy­roid has a very long his­tory of safe and effec­tive mains­tream use and I believe there is enough his­to­ri­cal and anec­do­tal evi­dence to sup­port double-blind trials. It’s a bit like saying that peni­ci­llin is no good any­more because we have newer anti­bio­tics. If bought from relia­ble, regu­la­ted sour­ces, I can see no evi­dence that it is sig­ni­fi­cantly less sta­ble or con­sis­tently potent than synthe­tic thy­roid hormones.

    I believe that if someone is fee­ling well on stan­dard T4 the­rapy, then it’s their pre­ro­ga­tive to con­ti­nue on that. But if they start fee­ling ill again, or someone never has a good reac­tion to the T4, or would pre­fer Armour, or synthe­tic T4/T3, they ought have the option. Sadly, doc­tors are often poor scien­tists. I always dis­cuss my treat­ment with a phar­ma­cist, too. They know more about the actual drugs and their uses and interactions.

  3. Deborah Haddock said:

    Feb 15, 09 at 8:33 am

    I am from the UK and I have just ter­mi­na­ted my mem­bership to the Bri­tish Thy­roid Foun­da­tion because of their blin­ke­red view on the treat­ment of hypothy­ro­dism in light of the report men­tio­ned. BTF told me that they have a duty to their mem­bers and the public not to sup­port anything that has not been “scien­ti­fi­cally pro­ven” as a treatment.

    I do not need a scien­tist to tell me that in the last 12 months since I stop­ped taking thy­ro­xine and star­ted taking Armour I look and feel bet­ter than I have done for nearly 5 years. Thy­ro­xine did not help me with my hypothy­ro­dism infact it made it worse. I was taking 250 mcgs a day and still felt awful.

    My doc­tor is very sup­por­tive of me taking Armour and I believe it is my right to have the medi­cine of my choice but I had to ask for it, it is not offe­red rou­ti­nely as an alter­na­tive to thy­ro­xine in the UK.

    I sus­pect the pro­mo­tion of a synthe­tic treat­ment as the medi­cine of choice has something to do with the cost .….….…

  4. Monica Koziol said:

    Feb 15, 09 at 10:44 pm

    I agree with nutralady2001!!! Sadly, most “doc­tors” are poor diagnosticians!I have to say that these “powers-that-be” are truly igno­rant if they say there is no subs­tan­tive evi­dence of how des­si­ca­ted thy­roid is far supe­rior to a synthe­tic hormone.

    This is what Dr. Ray Peat had to say in an email to me:

    “In the 1970s I found that the major jour­nals don’t publish any stu­dies that con­tra­dict some of the basic doc­tri­nes of the medical-pharmaceutical busi­ness, so I wrote books, taught cour­ses, wrote for alter­na­tive jour­nals, lec­tu­red to medi­cal groups, and star­ted my own monthly news­let­ter (1981 – 2001, sub­se­quently bimonthly). I still often talk on small alter­na­tive radio sta­tions, but as the word spread regar­ding my work with estro­gen and pol­yun­sa­tu­ra­ted fats, even the alter­na­tive medi­cal out­lets were no lon­ger open to me.

    The inter­net is the clo­sest thing to a public forum that there is. The HUNT study’s impor­tant fin­dings about thy­roid and heart disease were already very well wor­ked out in the 1930s. By the late 1940s, the drug industry had star­ted crea­ting their own mytho­lo­gies regar­ding thy­roid, cho­les­te­rol, and heart disease, at the same time that the estro­gen research of the 1930s was being tur­ned on its head, with frau­du­lent artic­les plan­ted in the mains­tream jour­nals. Their methods were worse than the tobacco industry’s, and the health con­se­quen­ces were just as deadly.”

    http://raypeat.com/
    FYI

  5. Marianne said:

    Feb 18, 09 at 2:20 pm

    I am devas­ta­ted by this. It goes to show you that doc­tors can’t be trus­ted one inch simply because they will not bend or look at the evi­dence. It is very worr­ying when you look at it on the grand scheme of things. It also sug­gests some sort of conspiracy?

    So many of us are get­ting well on natu­ral des­si­ca­ted thy­roid. You would think that they would at least ack­now­ledge this. After all we should have free­dom to choose our treat­ment as it is a basic human right.

    By making sta­te­ments like this, they really are pla­ying God

  6. Georgiana said:

    Feb 18, 09 at 7:10 pm

    I have peru­sed through your site quite a bit. First time to post…

    OMG! I am SOOOO glad I don’t live in the UK! Those poor women! I thought I had it rough worr­ying about whether I’ll be able to get my doc­tor to inc­rease my 60mg/day Armour dosage.

    And I want to know, what side effects? What in the blue bla­zes could pos­sibly be worse than slee­ping 16 hours a day, gai­ning weight uncon­tro­llably, losing chunks of your hair while your scalp scabs and bleeds, having dif­fi­culty breathing, tachy­car­dia, etc.???

    (BTW, the first medi­cine I took was Synth­roid. It made my period a week late, and for that whole week I could barely walk I was in so much agony. I beg­ged my doc­tor for something strong, like Per­co­cet, to no avail. Finally, when she switched me to Armour my periods went back to normal.)

  7. Sue Chippendale said:

    Feb 21, 09 at 3:44 am

    It isn’t just those that will no lon­ger be able to be presc­ri­bed Armour. The “half­wits” have also sta­ted that hypothy­roi­dism will only be diag­no­sed by blood test results. This will effect thou­sands of peo­ple as their TSH is under 10.

    They want to push our pri­vate docs with com­mon sense out and the next thing we will hear is that we can no lon­ger import Armour!

    It is a very sad time in the UK but even with the tiniest bit of energy that we have, we will fight these “Endonobs”

  8. Jackie said:

    Feb 21, 09 at 12:02 pm

    This is devas­ta­ting news. Some peo­ple on the Thyroid-Disease.org.uk forums have filed a ‘yellow card’ report at http://yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/ giving details of the side effects (or non-effects!) they expe­rien­ced on thy­ro­xine. I have just done this too.

    Let’s ever­yone file one of these reports, then at a later point we can ask for data on side-effects of thyroxine-only treat­ment, which they will have to provide …

    Jac­kie

  9. poppy said:

    Mar 08, 09 at 6:22 pm

    I don’t know what this will mean long-term for me. I take armour and have been sour­cing it pri­va­tely for over 18 months. This obviously rai­ses fears that we may strug­gle to source armour from outside of the UK as clearly this is an attempt to gag and con­trol ‘rogue’ doc­tors and patients alike.
    I say we march on par­lia­ment BEFORE we all run out of armour.

  10. Lucy said:

    Mar 30, 09 at 9:03 am

    Thanks Janie, for high­ligh­ting this issue, and thanks for taking an inte­rest in the plight of we UK thy­roid patients!
    One awful thing is that each pro­noun­ce­ment like this from a medi­cal body makes it har­der for even sym­pathe­tic doc­tors to act inde­pen­dently in what they see as their patients’ best inte­rests. I am hypo patient in the UK. After diag­no­sis I took thy­ro­xine for a year and unlike others I didn’t have a terri­ble time on it, in fact for the first few months I did pretty well. But as my symp­toms star­ted to return, I began to research treat­ments and became inte­res­ted in trying Armour. Rather than dis­mis­sing me out of hand, my GP actually agreed. Howe­ver, after loo­king into the prac­ti­ca­li­ties, she was told that her licence could poten­tially be at risk should anything unto­ward hap­pen to me. She said while she her­self was satis­fied that there was no risk — so much so that she was happy to moni­tor me while I obtai­ned NT extract pri­va­tely — she couldn’t put her­self in that posi­tion. And a sta­te­ment like this one from the Royal College of Phy­si­cians, while it may not (yet) be legally bin­ding, is only going to make it har­der for a like-minded doc­tor to do even as much as this doc­tor did.
    I count myself for­tu­nate that I am able to obtain my Armour through pri­vate import. As Poppy says, the idea that even this non-ideal situa­tion may be under threat is a terrif­ying one, and I dread to think of what might hap­pen if it were taken away.
    And as Louise says, the atti­tude of ‘mains­tream’ medi­cine to thy­roid disor­ders is frankly biza­rre. It’s as if cli­ni­cal eva­lua­tion and the con­cept of a choice of treat­ments go out the win­dow the moment a thy­roid patient walks into the con­sul­ting room. Ima­gine if that patient, rather than being a thy­roid patient, was con­sul­ting the doc­tor about chro­nic hea­daches, and the doc­tor presc­ri­bed, say, ibu­pro­fen. A week later the patient returns, and says that the hea­daches have gone, but that she’s been suf­fe­ring sto­mach upset from the ibu­pro­fen. Or maybe the hea­daches are a little bet­ter, but she’s still having some pain. But rather than sym­pathi­sing, and saying “well, there are other pain meds we can try — perhaps para­ce­to­mol will be easier on your sto­mach”, the doc­tor just says “well, you’ve had the appro­ved treat­ment. You’ll just have to learn to live with your hea­daches.” Or perhaps “You can’t still have a hea­dache. This is the stan­dard treat­ment, and it always works.“
    Or let’s sup­pose there really was only one kind of hea­dache medi­ca­tion. Would doc­tors really refuse to enter­tain the idea that other treat­ments might be deve­lo­ped? That if there was another treat­ment, it shouldn’t even be researched?
    Such a situa­tion would be incon­cei­va­ble to most. So why is hypothy­roi­dism dif­fe­rent? Follow the money, I sup­pose. And the fact that it’s a con­di­tion that affects pre­do­mi­nantly women pos­sibly has something to do with it, too. “What’s that? You feel so much healthier on treat­ment X? Oh, no, that can’t be right. Don’t you worry your little head about it — we’ll tell you when you feel better.”


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